The Hobby Boards

As a side quest to my collecting, I've been working on updating pages on TCDB and it got me thinking about whether a website exists as a comprehensive list of sets and corresponding pack odds. Lately, my go-to for this information has been looking up hobby boxes of a particular set on Dave and Adams website because they list out the inserts and pack odds, but this is somewhat hit and miss.

Anyone have any good leads for this? If such a repository does not exist, I have considered starting such a project as a long-term effort to preserve this information.

Thanks in advance.

Beckett is pretty good for set odds. I’ve seen some on there that aren’t on boxes, wonder how real some of those are though.

This would be a great resource. It seems like the info is pretty scattered right now. Maybe we could make a thread and keep editing it as we find them.

green_stiller wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:05 pm Beckett is pretty good for set odds. I’ve seen some on there that aren’t on boxes, wonder how real some of those are though.

My ideal arrangement is to have the source of the odds noted, whether it is from manufacturer website/post, photo of a pack itself, or from a third party source such as Beckett, Cardboard Connection, or someone good with the maths who was able to take info from print runs and work backwards.

Beckett has so-so for me, but that could just be a result of the random cards I have looked for.

Deadshot wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 6:03 am This would be a great resource. It seems like the info is pretty scattered right now. Maybe we could make a thread and keep editing it as we find them.

I'm happy to have this thread serve as a starting point for that if folks want. I can pull those up into the first post and the date of last edit will show how recent it is.

These are player-specific odds pulled from Blowout for inserts/parallels featuring Jordan that were 1:1000 or tougher. Kenfancypants originally posted it. For the most part they’re accurate. Can just pull the number of cards in the set from Trading Card Database to get the standard pack odds. Although like already mentioned Beckett has them listed already. Would be a good starting point, at least for 90s.

1993/94
Finest Refractor 1:1,430
Stadium Club First Day Issue Series 1 1:2,160 Series 2 1:4,320


1994/95
Collector's Choice Gold Signature Series 1 1:3,675 Series 2 1:2,450
Finest Refractor 1:1,992
SP Championship Playoff Heroes Die Cut 1:2,250

1995/96
Collector's Choice Player's Club Platinum Series 1 1:1,838 Series 2 1:2,333
Finest Refractor 1:1,665
Finest Mystery Borderless Refractor 1:2,112
Hoops Skyview 1:4,800
SP Holoview Diecuts 1:3,040
SP Championship Champions Of The Court Die Cut 1:2,250
Topps Mystery Finest Refractor 1:2,772
Topps Power Boosters Series 1 1:1,080
Upper Deck Electric Court Gold Series 1 1:3,150 Series 2 1:1,260
Upper Deck Special Edition Gold 1:3,150



1996/97
Bowman's Best Cuts Atomic Refractor 1:3,840
Bowman's Best Honor Roll Atomic Refractor 1:3,840
Bowman's Best Atomic Refractor 1:4,000
E-X2000 A Cut Above 1:2,880
Finest Bronze Refractor 1:1,200
Finest Silver Refractor 1:1,296
Finest Gold Refractor 1:5,184
Flair Hot Shots 1:1,800
Fleer Thrill Seekers 1:3,600
Metal Precious Metal 1:3,600
Metal Decade of Excellence 1:1,000
Metal Maximum Metal 1:1,800
Metal Molten Metal 1:1,440
Metal Netrageous 1:2,880
Skybox Golden Touch 1:2,400
Skybox Larger Than Life 1:3,240
Skybox Rubies Series 1 1:3,144 Series 2 1:3,600
Skybox Thunder and Lightening 1:1,440
Skybox Triple Threats SP 1:2,160
SP Game Film 1:1,120
SPX Force 1:1,800
Stadium Club Class Acts Atomic Refractor 1:1,920
Stadium Club Finest Rc Reprint Refractor 1:2,200
Stadium Club Player's Private Issue 1:1,728
Topps Holding Court Refractor 1:1,350
Topps Mystery Finest Borderless 1:1,584
Topps Mystery Finest Refractor 1:1,452 (Jumbo only)
Topps Mystery Borderless Refractor 1:4,752
Topps Super Teams Chicago Bulls 1:1,044
Topps Chrome Refractor 1:2,640
UD3 Superstar Spotlight 1:1,440
Ultra Full Court Trap Gold 1:1,800
Ultra Gold Medallion Series 1 1:1,800
Ultra Platinum Medallion Series 1 1:27,000 Series 2 1:15,000
Ultra Court Masters 1:2,700
Ultra Scoring Kings Plus 1:2,784
Ultra Starring Role 1:2,880
Upper Deck Smooth Grooves 1:1,080
Z-Force Big Man On Court 1:2,400
Z-Force Big Man On Court Z-Peat 1:11,200
Z-Force Slam Cam 1:2,160




1997/98
Bowman's Best Atomic Refractor 1:2,000
E-X2001 Jambalaya 1:10,800
Finest Bronze Refractor Series 1 1:2,076 Series 2 1:1,836
Finest Silver Refractor 1:1,584
Finest Silver Embossed Refractor 1:6,336
Finest Gold Refractor 1:5,760
Finest Gold Embossed Die Cut Refractor 1:23,040
Fleer Tiffany Collection 1:4,000
Fleer Decade of Excellence Rare Traditions 1:4,320
Fleer Game Breakers 1:3,456
Fleer Thrill Seekers 1:2,880
Hoops Frequent Flyer Upgrade 1:7,200
Hoops Hooperstars 1:2,880
Hoops 911 1:2,880
Metal Platinum Portraits 1:4,320
Metal Titanium 1:1,440
Metal Championship Galaxy 1:2,880
Metal Championship Hardware 1:5,400
Metal Championship Precious Metal Gems 1:17,500
Skybox Competitive Advantage 1:1,440
Skybox Golden Touch 1:5,400
Skybox Premium Player 1:2,880
Skybox Silky Smooth 1:3,600
Skybox Thunder and Lightening 1:2,880
1997 SPx Holoview Heroes 1:1,500
1997 SPx ProMotion 1:2,150
SPx Hardcourt Holoviews 1:1,080
SPx ProMotion 1:2,520
Stadium Club Triumvirate Luminous 1:1,152
Stadium Club Triumvirate Luminescence 1:4,608
Stadium Club Triumvirate Illuminator 1:9,216
Topps Generations 1:1,080
Topps Generations Refractor 1:4,320
Topps Rock Stars Refractor 1:2,880
Topps Chrome Refractor 1:2,640
Ultra Court Masters 1:2,880
Ultra Star Power Supreme 1:5,760
Ultra Stars 1:2,880
Ultra Stars Gold 1:28,800
Ultra Ultrabilities Superstar 1:5,760
Upper Deck Game Jersey's 1:27,500
Z-Force Big Man On Court 1:4,320
Z-Force Quick Strike 1:1,152
Z-Force Rave Series 1 1:7,700 Series 2 1:7,000
Z-Force Rave Review 1:3,456
Z-Force Super Rave Series 2 1:56,000 (only made for series 2)


1998/99
Finest Refractor 1:1,500
Finest No Protector Refractor 1:3,000
Finest Mystery Refractor 1:3,330
Metal Linchpins 1:3,600
Metal 2 for Me 0 For You 1:1,440
Skybox 3'Ds 1:1,440
Skybox Intimidation Nation 1:3,600
Skybox Thunder Flight School 1:1,152
Skybox Thunder Noyz Boyz 1:4,500
Stadium Club First Day Issue 1:5,040
Stadium Club One Of A Kind 1:6,720
Topps East/West Refractor 1:2,880
Topps Roundball Royalty Refractor 1:2,880
UD Choice Reserve 1:1,200
UD Ionix MJ HoloGrFX 1:1,500
UD Ionix Skyonix 1:1,325
Ultra Exclamation Points 1:4,320
Upper Deck Game Jersey's 1:25,000

1999/00
Upper Deck Game Jersey's 1:25,000
Upper Deck Game Jersey's Patch 1:112,500
Upper Deck MJ Final Floor 1:2,500
Upper Deck Power Deck 1:2,500
Upper Deck Century Legends Jersey's Of The Century 1:3,800
Upper Deck HoloGrFX HoloFame Gold 1:1,890
Upper Deck HoloGrFX NBA Shoetime 1:8,189

It would be amazing if everyone found packs or boxes that had odds of some kind and uploaded pictures too. It’s nice to have an actual visual to accompany the odds.

MittenStateCollector wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 10:32 am

green_stiller wrote: ↑Sat Jun 03, 2023 9:05 pm Beckett is pretty good for set odds. I’ve seen some on there that aren’t on boxes, wonder how real some of those are though.

My ideal arrangement is to have the source of the odds noted, whether it is from manufacturer website/post, photo of a pack itself, or from a third party source such as Beckett, Cardboard Connection, or someone good with the maths who was able to take info from print runs and work backwards.

Beckett has so-so for me, but that could just be a result of the random cards I have looked for.

I’m mostly looking at 99-00 odds so that could be why it’s worked out better for me. I did a print run calculation for the 99-00 UD Ionix Warp Zone insert that put it at around 15 (only Kobe’s pop report begged to differ at ~20). Beckett had pack odds for the Reciprocal rookies /100 (while no other source had it listed).

It’s a fun exercise for old hobby only cases if any #’s card has pack odds listed.

It is tedious to look up by set though. Some aren’t even found via google and you have to search marketplace and click or modify URL by year.

I purchased a Tuff Stuff Standard Catalog for football resources. I settled with a 2006 edition. I wasn't worried about the prices. But it offers a full checklist of every set for most practical purposes. Most releases also have some release information and alot of pack odds.

I found a used copy for about $12 shipped. Its a heavy thick book vs. the standard Becket monthly. But it is an excellent resource.

I always wondered why upper deck and Fleer had odds of like 1:24 packs but Topps had odds of like 1:1892 packs… a card could literally fall 3 per box but Topps odds would be 1:517

Never understood it

appfreezecards wrote: ↑Mon Jun 05, 2023 12:12 pm I purchased a Tuff Stuff Standard Catalog for football resources. I settled with a 2006 edition. I wasn't worried about the prices. But it offers a full checklist of every set for most practical purposes. Most releases also have some release information and alot of pack odds.

I found a used copy for about $12 shipped. Its a heavy thick book vs. the standard Becket monthly. But it is an excellent resource.

I had not heard of this before, but I will be looking it up now. Thanks for the recommendation!

Smalltown wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 3:22 pm It would be amazing if everyone found packs or boxes that had odds of some kind and uploaded pictures too. It’s nice to have an actual visual to accompany the odds.

I actually put together a rudimentary google form for just that purpose lol.

Wow, haven’t thought about Tuff Stuff in a while.

I remember how kids around here basically considered it a “fake” Beckett, rofl.

Leaving the shop with a Tuff Stuff instead of a Beckett was almost as bad as buying multiple packs of different product, getting skunked on inserts and not even hitting base of any of your favorite players.



Those archival type issues would def be useful though.

darz90scardz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:37 pm These are player-specific odds pulled from Blowout for inserts/parallels featuring Jordan that were 1:1000 or tougher. Kenfancypants originally posted it. For the most part they’re accurate. Can just pull the number of cards in the set from Trading Card Database to get the standard pack odds. Although like already mentioned Beckett has them listed already. Would be a good starting point, at least for 90s.

Thanks for bringing this great resource over to the Boards. I've had it saved as a note on my laptop for over a year because its so helpful.

Had another great mail day curtesy of COMC.




Patience is a virtue on players like Odom… way cheaper than eBay sales

MittenStateCollector wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:07 pm

darz90scardz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:37 pm These are player-specific odds pulled from Blowout for inserts/parallels featuring Jordan that were 1:1000 or tougher. Kenfancypants originally posted it. For the most part they’re accurate. Can just pull the number of cards in the set from Trading Card Database to get the standard pack odds. Although like already mentioned Beckett has them listed already. Would be a good starting point, at least for 90s.

Thanks for bringing this great resource over to the Boards. I've had it saved as a note on my laptop for over a year because its so helpful.

I’m not sure if there’s a Panini and post-90s equivalent on there too. Would be cool to make this list more comprehensive.

There’s only a few things on Ken’s list that have to be changed, I’ll edit the post when I get a chance to go back through the original BO thread. I remember the 97-98 Finest bronze refractor odds being off, for example.

darz90scardz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:54 pm

MittenStateCollector wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:07 pm

darz90scardz wrote: ↑Sun Jun 04, 2023 12:37 pm These are player-specific odds pulled from Blowout for inserts/parallels featuring Jordan that were 1:1000 or tougher. Kenfancypants originally posted it. For the most part they’re accurate. Can just pull the number of cards in the set from Trading Card Database to get the standard pack odds. Although like already mentioned Beckett has them listed already. Would be a good starting point, at least for 90s.

Thanks for bringing this great resource over to the Boards. I've had it saved as a note on my laptop for over a year because its so helpful.

I’m not sure if there’s a Panini and post-90s equivalent on there too. Would be cool to make this list more comprehensive.

There’s only a few things on Ken’s list that have to be changed, I’ll edit the post when I get a chance to go back through the original BO thread. I remember the 97-98 Finest bronze refractor odds being off, for example.

I feel like the 2000s don't have as many true inserts that were rarer than 1 per box (hot hands and the 2003 upper deck all star game cutouts come to mind as a couple of the rarer inserts), so it might not take all that long to put together.

MittenStateCollector wrote: ↑Wed Jun 14, 2023 4:39 pm

darz90scardz wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:54 pm

MittenStateCollector wrote: ↑Mon Jun 12, 2023 6:07 pm

Thanks for bringing this great resource over to the Boards. I've had it saved as a note on my laptop for over a year because its so helpful.

I’m not sure if there’s a Panini and post-90s equivalent on there too. Would be cool to make this list more comprehensive.

There’s only a few things on Ken’s list that have to be changed, I’ll edit the post when I get a chance to go back through the original BO thread. I remember the 97-98 Finest bronze refractor odds being off, for example.

I feel like the 2000s don't have as many true inserts that were rarer than 1 per box (hot hands and the 2003 upper deck all star game cutouts come to mind as a couple of the rarer inserts), so it might not take all that long to put together.

Yea there still might be more gaps to fill in before 2000 than after when you consider non-mj sets and those with player odds under 1:1,000.

Since there are a lot of basketball collectors in here they may not be aware of baseballcardpedia.com. I really think this site is needed for the other sports. It is well put together with the set list, patch odds, and the photos to show differences in parallels.