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dengbang, I remember paul having a ton of these and dumping them after posting them on the Censorship Forums lol.

I'm actually glad he shared pics of them, I think I still have the pics somewhere on an old hard drive. I love these test refractors. Rack Pack was one of my 'impossible' sets as a child when this stuff first came out, so to own the set in refractor for was a goal...but that was short lived.

Also part of my gripe with Topps because they made such a bone head decision when they didn't include refractor parallels of the inserts. It sucks that they're so expensive...sucks even more about the discoloration.

Looks like he unloaded a TON of these, stopped searching for them years ago because they seldom showed up. Man, they all look so great as refractors.

I saw the Penny sale. Apparently, according to the guy who sold it to the eBay seller, it took about a 1k haircut.

Would love to own it but there’s no way I’m dropping that much even at a “discount.”

I’ve never spent 4 figures on a penny and I hope to keep it that way, lol.

AbraCalabro wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 11:22 am dengbang, I remember paul having a ton of these and dumping them after posting them on the Censorship Forums lol.

I'm actually glad he shared pics of them, I think I still have the pics somewhere on an old hard drive. I love these test refractors. Rack Pack was one of my 'impossible' sets as a child when this stuff first came out, so to own the set in refractor for was a goal...but that was short lived.

Also part of my gripe with Topps because they made such a bone head decision when they didn't include refractor parallels of the inserts. It sucks that they're so expensive...sucks even more about the discoloration.

Looks like he unloaded a TON of these, stopped searching for them years ago because they seldom showed up. Man, they all look so great as refractors.

I saved those photos too! haha

I used to own the Glenn Robinson Rack Pack, Barkley Cornerstones, Ewing Lottery Prize, and a few others. Sold them all to player collectors back then as I saw it was better in their collection than mine. Now I am looking to make a run at the 1994 test refractors again.

They have gotten pretty expensive for sure, but at least it's not driven up by artificial hype or speculation...at least I don't think so. Can't imagine there's more than 10 different people bidding on these cards
It does suck that there's discoloration but I've come to accept that the early Finest cards are all prone to it (been looking for a non greening MJ 93 Finest Refractor with no success).

I saved the search so but the 1995 Mystery Finest Orange one pops up most of the time. I almost crapped myself when I saw how many of the 94's were listed at once.

darz90scardz wrote: ↑Tue Aug 27, 2024 11:46 am I saw the Penny sale. Apparently, according to the guy who sold it to the eBay seller, it took about a 1k haircut.

Would love to own it but there’s no way I’m dropping that much even at a “discount.”

I’ve never spent 4 figures on a penny and I hope to keep it that way, lol.

I know it did sell for a little bit less than how much Bryan (shipmycards) sold it for a while back.

It's just one of those cards that you have to pay up when they come up for sale, I suppose.

I know you've been collecting Penny for a while so I'm surprised you've never spent $999+ on a card. Even back then there were Penny cards that were above $1K. Crazy how $1K+ for a card is so common nowadays, back in 2014 it was considdred high-end and you had to sell some cards to be able to buy one lol

dengbang wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:29 am I know it did sell for a little bit less than how much Bryan (shipmycards) sold it for a while back.

It's just one of those cards that you have to pay up when they come up for sale, I suppose.

I know you've been collecting Penny for a while so I'm surprised you've never spent $999+ on a card. Even back then there were Penny cards that were above $1K. Crazy how $1K+ for a card is so common nowadays, back in 2014 it was considdred high-end and you had to sell some cards to be able to buy one lol

Yea, it was the same copy afaik. I don’t disagree that you have to pay up for the truly rare stuff these days, I’m just cheap. I’ve gotten close to the mark a couple times, but thankfully never crossed the 1k threshold. I’ve only spent that much twice, but with Jordans.

My brain really is still stuck on the 2014/2015 market in many ways. It definitely still hasn’t reconciled with what happened during and after Covid. I also hate to sell pc stuff, so it’s super rare for me to put cards back into more cards, it’s always straight out of my pocket.

I remember the BO photo dump of all the test refractors too. The allure of rarity is cool and all, but in the end I’d much rather they were standard issue and went for like 250 instead 2500.

dengbang wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 6:29 am I saved those photos too! haha

I used to own the Glenn Robinson Rack Pack, Barkley Cornerstones, Ewing Lottery Prize, and a few others. Sold them all to player collectors back then as I saw it was better in their collection than mine. Now I am looking to make a run at the 1994 test refractors again.

They have gotten pretty expensive for sure, but at least it's not driven up by artificial hype or speculation...at least I don't think so. Can't imagine there's more than 10 different people bidding on these cards
It does suck that there's discoloration but I've come to accept that the early Finest cards are all prone to it (been looking for a non greening MJ 93 Finest Refractor with no success).

I saved the search so but the 1995 Mystery Finest Orange one pops up most of the time. I almost crapped myself when I saw how many of the 94's were listed at once.

Wow, must have been great to have had those cards at some point. I was actually thinking the same thing, it's rare to see cards organically go up in perceived value and these particular cards we're discussing are such an example. I think they're rare and obscure enough, that there just isn't enough 'cattle' to pander to for driving the values up. The big spender hype men won't get a lot of attention from getting these, so it's not worth it for them.

Agreed about the discoloration, but I let the MJ refractor go when made available to me a number of times, same with the Hill RC, two iconic cards in my opinion, because of the possibility they might change color at some point. I would not pay top dollar for either one, simply due to the risk inherent with them.

Good hunting and please do share if you land any.

darz90scardz wrote: ↑Wed Aug 28, 2024 10:46 am Yea, it was the same copy afaik. I don’t disagree that you have to pay up for the truly rare stuff these days, I’m just cheap. I’ve gotten close to the mark a couple times, but thankfully never crossed the 1k threshold. I’ve only spent that much twice, but with Jordans.

My brain really is still stuck on the 2014/2015 market in many ways. It definitely still hasn’t reconciled with what happened during and after Covid. I also hate to sell pc stuff, so it’s super rare for me to put cards back into more cards, it’s always straight out of my pocket.

I remember the BO photo dump of all the test refractors too. The allure of rarity is cool and all, but in the end I’d much rather they were standard issue and went for like 250 instead 2500.

Dude, I'm exactly the same way. Although I don't think I ever dropped a g note on a card, I may have to do that in the near future because of the types of cards I want to add at some point. I'm still stuck on 2009/10 pricing lol.

And count me in on the sentiment that they should've been standard pack issued. A real blunder on Topps' part, same with the now infamous non-refractor RCs from 95/96.

I'll always take the opportunity to share my 95 Rack Pack test ref set..



One of my favorite sets because it was McDyess's rookie year and is his only refactor RC. Why Topps chose to not make refractors for the rookies that year is still baffling to me.

There was a guy selling several sets on eBay a few years ago who I bought this set from. I had a copy of the McDyess and a Finley already. Strangely the ones he was selling were all kinds of odd sizes making me think they were probably sheet cut.

mindcycle wrote: ↑Tue Sep 24, 2024 8:51 pm I'll always take the opportunity to share my 95 Rack Pack test ref set..



One of my favorite sets because it was McDyess's rookie year an is his only refactor RC. Why Topps chose to not make refractors for the rookies that year is still baffling to me.

There was a guy selling several sets on eBay a few years ago who I bought this set from. I had a copy of the McDyess and a Finley already. Strangely the ones he was selling were all kinds of odd sizes making me think they were probably sheet cut.

holy shit dude

that's mind blowing

was it Leximo that you got them from?

I’m pretty sure I got my Damon rack pack ref from leximo

Very interesting... I wasn't aware of the bunch that sold recently, as there weren't any Admirals listed. Very cool getting to see pics of some of these, along with Ryan's crazy Rack Pack set!

Here are mine (please forgive the poor scan on the Lottery Prize), and thankfully, without any peels , or real evidence of greening thus far...

frisbeesteve wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 3:15 pm Very interesting... I wasn't aware of the bunch that sold recently, as there weren't any Admirals listed. Very cool getting to see pics of some of these, along with Ryan's crazy Rack Pack set!

Here are mine (please forgive the poor scan on the Lottery Prize), and thankfully, without any peels , or real evidence of greening thus far...

Great seeing you here my friend! You should stick around and post more often!

frisbeesteve wrote: ↑Fri Sep 27, 2024 3:15 pm Very interesting... I wasn't aware of the bunch that sold recently, as there weren't any Admirals listed. Very cool getting to see pics of some of these, along with Ryan's crazy Rack Pack set!

Here are mine (please forgive the poor scan on the Lottery Prize), and thankfully, without any peels , or real evidence of greening thus far...

Frisbeesteve, I need thoseeee Admirals!
Looks beautiful, very clean copies.
I am going for the 1994 Test Refractor master set so please let me know if you ever decide to move them.

AbraCalabro wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:18 pm was it Leximo that you got them from?

How Leximo got his hands on all of those sheet cut cards is still a mystery to me but I believe he was transparent about it. He had thounds of them at any given time.

dengbang wrote: ↑Sun Sep 29, 2024 6:00 am

AbraCalabro wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:18 pm was it Leximo that you got them from?

How Leximo got his hands on all of those sheet cut cards is still a mystery to me but I believe he was transparent about it. He had thounds of them at any given time.

I think maybe it was a connection from his business partner, but it was so long ago I might have forgotten and completely made this up lol.

Didn’t he have 2 different eBay accounts?

darz90scardz wrote: ↑Wed Oct 02, 2024 9:23 am Didn’t he have 2 different eBay accounts?

I honestly have no idea, I don't remember lol. I do know there were a bunch of 'regulars' on both HK and the other forum, BlowJob, or BlowHard, or something like that, who had multiple accounts for selling, shilling, buying and more shilling.

AbraCalabro wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:18 pm holy shit dude

that's mind blowing

was it Leximo that you got them from?

Just looked back at old emails and sure enough those were from him lol.

mindcycle wrote: ↑Wed Oct 16, 2024 8:50 am

AbraCalabro wrote: ↑Wed Sep 25, 2024 1:18 pm holy shit dude

that's mind blowing

was it Leximo that you got them from?

Just looked back at old emails and sure enough those were from him lol.

lol not surprised

I got a lot of rare and wacky oddball stuff from him. One of them which was tough to find was the Kemp Skybox E-Motion Foil sheet cut, those are pretty neat in hand. It's now with another Kemp collector after downsizing my collection, but he had really cool stuff and was always easy to work with.

AbraCalabro wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 7:38 pm
lol not surprised

I got a lot of rare and wacky oddball stuff from him. One of them which was tough to find was the Kemp Skybox E-Motion Foil sheet cut, those are pretty neat in hand. It's now with another Kemp collector after downsizing my collection, but he had really cool stuff and was always easy to work with.

Is this the version where it's a bit bigger than the regular pack pulled cards?

Just an update on my second try at the 1994 Test Refractor Sets.
The bigger names are with player collectors but if anyone see's any for sale or has some and wants to help with the set, please reach out.

dengbang wrote: ↑Sun Nov 10, 2024 1:04 pm

AbraCalabro wrote: ↑Sat Oct 26, 2024 7:38 pm
lol not surprised

I got a lot of rare and wacky oddball stuff from him. One of them which was tough to find was the Kemp Skybox E-Motion Foil sheet cut, those are pretty neat in hand. It's now with another Kemp collector after downsizing my collection, but he had really cool stuff and was always easy to work with.

Is this the version where it's a bit bigger than the regular pack pulled cards?

Hey dude, yeah those are the exact ones. The other difference is that the glossy background is all foil, it's pretty neat. I think they were originally prizes which were sent out to winners as full sheets. I think I still have scans somewhere, but I had Kemp as well as Rodman, Pippen, Shaq, Barkley, etc.