Where’s the part about him ripping off collectors to spot those “undervalued assets”. Just lol at that whole article. I wish BO hadn’t deleted the post about the whole Artee debacle. Money talks I guess..Leore began strategically acquiring Kobe Bryant cards in 2016, using platforms like eBay to spot undervalued assets. A $15,000 investment grew into $15 million — not by luck but by data-driven strategy.
Where’s the part about him ripping off collectors to spot those “undervalued assets”. Just lol at that whole article. I wish BO hadn’t deleted the post about the whole Artee debacle. Money talks I guess..Leore began strategically acquiring Kobe Bryant cards in 2016, using platforms like eBay to spot undervalued assets. A $15,000 investment grew into $15 million — not by luck but by data-driven strategy.
Oh man, this is rich..auburn35 wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2025 10:13 am Thought Abra and Mindcycle might enjoy this "investment" article written by the guys from alt.
Tariffs are driving investors to Pokémon and Mickey Mantle as trading cards gain credibility as domestic assets
By Leore Avidar
https://nypost.com/2025/04/28/opinion/t ... ing-cards/
Where’s the part about him ripping off collectors to spot those “undervalued assets”. Just lol at that whole article. I wish BO hadn’t deleted the post about the whole Artee debacle. Money talks I guess..Leore began strategically acquiring Kobe Bryant cards in 2016, using platforms like eBay to spot undervalued assets. A $15,000 investment grew into $15 million — not by luck but by data-driven strategy.
Oh man, this is rich..auburn35 wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2025 10:13 am Thought Abra and Mindcycle might enjoy this "investment" article written by the guys from alt.
Tariffs are driving investors to Pokémon and Mickey Mantle as trading cards gain credibility as domestic assets
By Leore Avidar
https://nypost.com/2025/04/28/opinion/t ... ing-cards/
Where’s the part about him ripping off collectors to spot those “undervalued assets”. Just lol at that whole article. I wish BO hadn’t deleted the post about the whole Artee debacle. Money talks I guess..Leore began strategically acquiring Kobe Bryant cards in 2016, using platforms like eBay to spot undervalued assets. A $15,000 investment grew into $15 million — not by luck but by data-driven strategy.
I'm not surprised at all. It amazes me even to this day that people think Turner is "One of us," or a "True collector / hobbyist," or apply any of these cozy terms to him. It was also amusing on BO when the news broke that he was in a leadership/ownership role over at PSA and there were some people rejoicing that he was going to 'fix' the hobby and make everything better again. He's into it for money and it's pitiable that grown men can't understand that. A shrewd business man doesn't have any concern for the enjoyment of others. Nat Turner's submitting cards to his own grading company and also complaining about the up-charge scam, then getting OK with the up-charge scam after he took over says everything any one will ever need to know about him. He and most, if not all the people in his circle appear to fill in the same archetype.auburn35 wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:55 am Never did anything....would you be surprised to learn that Nat appears to have actually invested into Leore and Alt?
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I'm not surprised at all. It amazes me even to this day that people think Turner is "One of us," or a "True collector / hobbyist," or apply any of these cozy terms to him. It was also amusing on BO when the news broke that he was in a leadership/ownership role over at PSA and there were some people rejoicing that he was going to 'fix' the hobby and make everything better again. He's into it for money and it's pitiable that grown men can't understand that. A shrewd business man doesn't have any concern for the enjoyment of others. Nat Turner's submitting cards to his own grading company and also complaining about the up-charge scam, then getting OK with the up-charge scam after he took over says everything any one will ever need to know about him. He and most, if not all the people in his circle appear to fill in the same archetype.auburn35 wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 9:55 am Never did anything....would you be surprised to learn that Nat appears to have actually invested into Leore and Alt?
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Definitely worth sharing, it's much appreciated. I honestly had no clue before hand.auburn35 wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 6:06 pm Didn't think you would be, just thought it was worth sharing.
That up-charge thread is great and it's nice to see it hasn't been hit by the blowout purge team, so far.
Definitely worth sharing, it's much appreciated. I honestly had no clue before hand.auburn35 wrote: Tue Apr 29, 2025 6:06 pm Didn't think you would be, just thought it was worth sharing.
That up-charge thread is great and it's nice to see it hasn't been hit by the blowout purge team, so far.
Woah, so you've got 191/200? That's ridiculous. Well done and good luck grabbing the rest!mindcycle wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:02 pm Below is a link to a post where I have a photo of one of my binder pages. I'm currently down to 9 left for my set!
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Do you remember when people were trying to make Optic more valuable than Prizm? I wholly agree it's superior if only for the superior photography, not to mention the Optic specific parallels like the velocities are better than the prizm cracked ice, in my opinion. On the topic of 17-18 Optic, what was up with that? I guess Panini trying to do something different with those brown borders? Good effort, I guess. The Donruss lasers from 17-18 are also weird. THey don't have the laser effect...mindcycle wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:02 pm Another set I've always really liked is Optic. It was never as hyped as Prizm so you could generally get them for cheaper. In later years they actually look a lot better than Prizm as well IMO. Especially photography-wise. Prizm went close up dribbling or holding the ball for the most part while Optiic maintained the in game action photos. (Besides 17-18 Optic, that release sucked lol)
Some great choices and fan favorites for sure. Since you brought it up, 2009 Court Kings along with a ton of 09-10 Panini releases, is SO underappreciated. There was certainly room for improvement but as a first year foray into basketball cards, the designs looked good and each set had its own flavor and personality. Court Kings specifically was a great product with the canvas base with sneaky great action game photography:Cardiac kemba pc wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 2:00 am I do like the 17 and 18 status cards, 2017 blank slate, one and one along with photogenic. A set I particularly like the look of is the 2009 court kings base set. If only kemba was around then I would be grabbing that for sure.
Dude don't even know where to begin. You did such a good job summarizing some of the awesome higher end Panini stuff. What stands out to me is that it's all early year Panini stuff before a lot of stuff went to stickers and started looking the same. Select and Preferred on card autos were awesome. Of course the Flawless patches and immaculate autos are no brainers. I think Noir has a Shadowbox acetate auto set too at some point, though I don't know what years or what players were featured.]]>AbraCalabro wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 5:33 pm I also really enjoyed their Prizm stuff, but not all the years because they just got worse and worse as time went on, too many parallels. Even though 13/14 is my favorite design, they have 10 parallels, more/less, otherwise 13/14 Prizm is definitely on my list.
Getting onto offerings from Immaculate and Flawless, this is where I have the most interest. Kemp had very little in the way of autos and game used with Upper Deck and very few GU items from Fleer/Skybox. Fortunately, Panini delivered when it comes to auto/GU and in particular their Sneaker cards, which are stellar.
BOTTOM LINE - They did a lot of stuff really well and provided stuff that other companies completely failed to do. For example, more guys should have been in Exquisite, but were not properly represented and Panini picked up the ball, where UD dropped the ball. However, a lot of stuff Panini did right, they tend to kill off with bad subsequent designs and too many parallels.
13/14 Prizm Gold and Donruss Optic with a more classic border.
Autos + great photography and design.
Glorious GU stuff, absolutely MONSTER patches here. The Cavs card looks like it's part of the number 4, the Sonics patches I think are part of the number and the K in Kemp upside down. The Sneaker Swatch card is a 360pt monster, it's a cinder block of a card and feels super premium. My only complaints about these Flawless examples is they don't have the gold holofoil parallels, the only holofoil is on the 1/1 cards as far as I know.
The Shadow Box Signatures gold /10 is a really cool one, golden holofoil pops. I don't know if these were done pre-Panini.
Woah, so you've got 191/200? That's ridiculous. Well done and good luck grabbing the rest!mindcycle wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:02 pm Below is a link to a post where I have a photo of one of my binder pages. I'm currently down to 9 left for my set!
viewtopic.php?p=973#p973
Do you remember when people were trying to make Optic more valuable than Prizm? I wholly agree it's superior if only for the superior photography, not to mention the Optic specific parallels like the velocities are better than the prizm cracked ice, in my opinion. On the topic of 17-18 Optic, what was up with that? I guess Panini trying to do something different with those brown borders? Good effort, I guess. The Donruss lasers from 17-18 are also weird. THey don't have the laser effect...mindcycle wrote: Fri Apr 18, 2025 6:02 pm Another set I've always really liked is Optic. It was never as hyped as Prizm so you could generally get them for cheaper. In later years they actually look a lot better than Prizm as well IMO. Especially photography-wise. Prizm went close up dribbling or holding the ball for the most part while Optiic maintained the in game action photos. (Besides 17-18 Optic, that release sucked lol)
Some great choices and fan favorites for sure. Since you brought it up, 2009 Court Kings along with a ton of 09-10 Panini releases, is SO underappreciated. There was certainly room for improvement but as a first year foray into basketball cards, the designs looked good and each set had its own flavor and personality. Court Kings specifically was a great product with the canvas base with sneaky great action game photography:Cardiac kemba pc wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 2:00 am I do like the 17 and 18 status cards, 2017 blank slate, one and one along with photogenic. A set I particularly like the look of is the 2009 court kings base set. If only kemba was around then I would be grabbing that for sure.
Dude don't even know where to begin. You did such a good job summarizing some of the awesome higher end Panini stuff. What stands out to me is that it's all early year Panini stuff before a lot of stuff went to stickers and started looking the same. Select and Preferred on card autos were awesome. Of course the Flawless patches and immaculate autos are no brainers. I think Noir has a Shadowbox acetate auto set too at some point, though I don't know what years or what players were featured.]]>AbraCalabro wrote: Sat Apr 19, 2025 5:33 pm I also really enjoyed their Prizm stuff, but not all the years because they just got worse and worse as time went on, too many parallels. Even though 13/14 is my favorite design, they have 10 parallels, more/less, otherwise 13/14 Prizm is definitely on my list.
Getting onto offerings from Immaculate and Flawless, this is where I have the most interest. Kemp had very little in the way of autos and game used with Upper Deck and very few GU items from Fleer/Skybox. Fortunately, Panini delivered when it comes to auto/GU and in particular their Sneaker cards, which are stellar.
BOTTOM LINE - They did a lot of stuff really well and provided stuff that other companies completely failed to do. For example, more guys should have been in Exquisite, but were not properly represented and Panini picked up the ball, where UD dropped the ball. However, a lot of stuff Panini did right, they tend to kill off with bad subsequent designs and too many parallels.
13/14 Prizm Gold and Donruss Optic with a more classic border.
Autos + great photography and design.
Glorious GU stuff, absolutely MONSTER patches here. The Cavs card looks like it's part of the number 4, the Sonics patches I think are part of the number and the K in Kemp upside down. The Sneaker Swatch card is a 360pt monster, it's a cinder block of a card and feels super premium. My only complaints about these Flawless examples is they don't have the gold holofoil parallels, the only holofoil is on the 1/1 cards as far as I know.
The Shadow Box Signatures gold /10 is a really cool one, golden holofoil pops. I don't know if these were done pre-Panini.
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Sorry about the print line. I don’t think it was apparent in the seller’s pics. (Facebook find)AbraCalabro wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:50 pm Couple big men from 92/93's finest. Got the Shaq from Duron for approximately $0.00![]()
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Sorry about the print line. I don’t think it was apparent in the seller’s pics. (Facebook find)AbraCalabro wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:50 pm Couple big men from 92/93's finest. Got the Shaq from Duron for approximately $0.00![]()
These cards are SOOOOO cute omg
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all good dude, it's barely visible, I really had to look at the card a few times before I spotted it lol, it's virtually non existentdarz90scardz wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 7:16 amSorry about the print line. I don’t think it was apparent in the seller’s pics. (Facebook find)AbraCalabro wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:50 pm Couple big men from 92/93's finest. Got the Shaq from Duron for approximately $0.00![]()
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At least it’s in a good spot since the upper half is masked by the black background.
all good dude, it's barely visible, I really had to look at the card a few times before I spotted it lol, it's virtually non existentdarz90scardz wrote: Wed May 14, 2025 7:16 amSorry about the print line. I don’t think it was apparent in the seller’s pics. (Facebook find)AbraCalabro wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:50 pm Couple big men from 92/93's finest. Got the Shaq from Duron for approximately $0.00![]()
These cards are SOOOOO cute omg
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At least it’s in a good spot since the upper half is masked by the black background.
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AbraCalabro wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:46 pm Got this in very recently, courtesy of THE HOOKUP from our very own Duron. As president of the Nickel Card Club, I have to say this is a classic example of collectors helping collectors. He didn't ask for anything for it, he JUST sent it.
BIG...and I mean a big 7'1 303 pound addition to my curated SPx Finite Spectrum build. Card has it all, design, photography (outstanding action photo), premium feel and it bounces a ton of rainbow colored light back at you.
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ChrisP57 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:14 pm Cool mailday today. Magic Johnson Autograph Game Used All Star Patch from Exquisite
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AbraCalabro wrote: Tue Apr 15, 2025 12:46 pm Got this in very recently, courtesy of THE HOOKUP from our very own Duron. As president of the Nickel Card Club, I have to say this is a classic example of collectors helping collectors. He didn't ask for anything for it, he JUST sent it.
BIG...and I mean a big 7'1 303 pound addition to my curated SPx Finite Spectrum build. Card has it all, design, photography (outstanding action photo), premium feel and it bounces a ton of rainbow colored light back at you.
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ChrisP57 wrote: Thu Apr 17, 2025 4:14 pm Cool mailday today. Magic Johnson Autograph Game Used All Star Patch from Exquisite
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Congrats on adding a big one! Tracking down the lesser collected players is always a slog for any set chase. Best of luck man.]]>BucksInSix wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:18 pm New Silver Knight added to the set. This got listed the other day as a “Gold Knight” and I was able to snag it for a good price through best offer. Kawhi and Butler are the last two big rookies I need to find, and then probably longggggg waits for some of the vets and players nobody collects, cares about, or even knew was an NBA player.
Congrats on adding a big one! Tracking down the lesser collected players is always a slog for any set chase. Best of luck man.]]>BucksInSix wrote: Mon Apr 28, 2025 7:18 pm New Silver Knight added to the set. This got listed the other day as a “Gold Knight” and I was able to snag it for a good price through best offer. Kawhi and Butler are the last two big rookies I need to find, and then probably longggggg waits for some of the vets and players nobody collects, cares about, or even knew was an NBA player.
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Woah! That's a real attention grabber! Let me get my sunglasses on...SacKingsCards wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:08 am Love the Timmy finals addition, tough to beat a card chronicling and containing finals word material.
My first 24-25 laser for my collection. I like it a lot more than I thought, might join 16-17 as my favorite vet laser design.
Awesome addition, I've heard lots of good things about Buzelis. And that card obviously goes great with Bulls colors.]]>BucksInSix wrote: Thu May 01, 2025 7:40 pm I usually don’t get caught up in rookie hype and wait until year 2-3 to pick up young guys, but I wanted a Prizm auto of Matas Buzelis. I got a chance to see him play in 3 games while he was with the Ignite and knew I was going to collect him. (Bonus picture of the pre-draft pickups I made after watching him play).
Woah! That's a real attention grabber! Let me get my sunglasses on...SacKingsCards wrote: Wed Apr 30, 2025 10:08 am Love the Timmy finals addition, tough to beat a card chronicling and containing finals word material.
My first 24-25 laser for my collection. I like it a lot more than I thought, might join 16-17 as my favorite vet laser design.
Awesome addition, I've heard lots of good things about Buzelis. And that card obviously goes great with Bulls colors.]]>BucksInSix wrote: Thu May 01, 2025 7:40 pm I usually don’t get caught up in rookie hype and wait until year 2-3 to pick up young guys, but I wanted a Prizm auto of Matas Buzelis. I got a chance to see him play in 3 games while he was with the Ignite and knew I was going to collect him. (Bonus picture of the pre-draft pickups I made after watching him play).
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I LOOOOVE Kevin Gust's work. I've bought several sets that he has produced.FrankAZHP wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:01 pm Pickup from a card show on Saturday.
It's an indie made card made in 2021. Nice little set with an old Topps baseball design influence.
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I LOOOOVE Kevin Gust's work. I've bought several sets that he has produced.FrankAZHP wrote: Mon Jul 17, 2023 6:01 pm Pickup from a card show on Saturday.
It's an indie made card made in 2021. Nice little set with an old Topps baseball design influence.
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This and the T68 (Heroes of History) is what really got me into vintage non-sports sets. Both of those sets are something I got into collecting when I was taking a break from sports cards, probably 7-8 years ago or so I think it was. Right around the time of the awful 17-18 season of releases (imo at least) where there was maybe like one or two sets from Panini that didn't feature 90% dribbling or holding the ball pics. I had just had enough I think, lol. I'm not a huge history buff or anything, it was just something new and interesting to pick up really and it does help you learn more about some of the prominent figures from those time periods. I didn't start going after sets too hard until the last few years though, and probably a bit late tbh. Like everything else in cards nowadays it seems, some of the more well known names (think.. Lincoln, Washington, etc..) people are now grading and flipping. Bringing up prices, but also making raw copies harder to find.AbraCalabro wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 5:18 pm What got you into this set? I know you mentioned the budget for something like this is different than baseball from the same era, but are you into history? Or just like the artwork?
This and the T68 (Heroes of History) is what really got me into vintage non-sports sets. Both of those sets are something I got into collecting when I was taking a break from sports cards, probably 7-8 years ago or so I think it was. Right around the time of the awful 17-18 season of releases (imo at least) where there was maybe like one or two sets from Panini that didn't feature 90% dribbling or holding the ball pics. I had just had enough I think, lol. I'm not a huge history buff or anything, it was just something new and interesting to pick up really and it does help you learn more about some of the prominent figures from those time periods. I didn't start going after sets too hard until the last few years though, and probably a bit late tbh. Like everything else in cards nowadays it seems, some of the more well known names (think.. Lincoln, Washington, etc..) people are now grading and flipping. Bringing up prices, but also making raw copies harder to find.AbraCalabro wrote: Wed Apr 02, 2025 5:18 pm What got you into this set? I know you mentioned the budget for something like this is different than baseball from the same era, but are you into history? Or just like the artwork?